Olujimi Adeboye Solanke, popularly known as Uncle Jimi, is a colossus on the Nigerian arts and culture scene. Recently, the playwright, actor, poet and singer featured in a highlife track, Ife Baba Agba by Poskii. In this interview with JOE AGBRO JR., Uncle Jimi shares his early beginnings, his view on Nigerian arts and other issues. Excerpts
Birth
I was born of some humble parents from Ipara Remo, Remo North part of Ogun State. Ipara is a small serene town in Remo North Local Government. And I was born in Lagos, fourth of July, 1942
Incursion into children’s programmes
The very first one when I came back from the US was ‘Family Scene’ on LTV 8. It was when we had a lull then that NTA invited me to come d a children’s programme workshop at the Jos NTA Jos Film School in Jos.
And so, from the different deliberations, we came up with StoryLand where we would be telling stories and there wold be insertions of artistic works by artists who must have drawn them, me and my guitar and all that. It became very popular and was run for about six or seven years. And when they had a problem of recording me, a friend of mine who owned a television station, Galaxy, said instead of me going to Lagos to record, he would be coming to meet me in Ife. So, I recorded series of ‘Family Reflections. We called that ‘Family Reflections.’ After that, I designed the one for AIT, ‘African Stories on AIT.’
You’re a man of many parts. Can we get an historical background to your career path in music, theatre?
Even before I left secondary school, I have been writing songs that were recorded by big bands (hums tunes from old music he wrote).
Which secondary school?
Odogbolu Grammar School in Ijebu Province those days, not too far from Ikenne. And when I was already leading a band in the school. But when I finished from school and went to Ibadan, where I was staying was very close to the area where the nightclubs was, Okebola.
There were so many bands and I was singing with them until I rose to singing with Chris Ajilo at Gangan night club. That’s how I started because I refused to go to work to become a printing press engineer. I refused it because all my hands would be dirty. And the next morning, if I go to work, imagine somebody who left the night club about 5:30 in the morning and has to be at work at about 7:30am, the spate of time between that, I would still be sleeping.
And I would be dreaming that if I dare go on that horse ladder, somebody who is supposed to be taken care of things like this, I would fall. And I would fall with my head shattered. I don’t like my hands to be dirty, with grease and all that, dungarees and overalls and all that. That’s how I sneaked off Caxton Press. And my uncle gave me the opportunity to be myself when he said ‘if you know you’re not going to be going to work, leave my house.’
He was the representative of Western Region in London. So, I left his house and I quickly went somewhere where I was staying with some bandsmen and then became so free in Ibadan for artworks. That’s how I entered Mbari in Ibadan and I was opened to arts with Wole Soyinka, Ralph Opara, Yemi Lijadu, Chris Okigbo, Demas Nwoko, the Mbari Group very strong. And they inspired me into poetry readings, folk singing, drama. In 1963, they started the school of drama. So, we all applied and I was admitted to the University of Ibadan School Of Drama, first school of drama in Africa. And they wanted us to stay but I was already a singer. So, I just went professional as an actor then. I was there for another three years with the acting company. Then I went to Ife in 1969.
Becoming Ovonramwen
Since I’ve learnt how to dance, I’ve learnt how to act, I know how to sing, I became Assistant Director to three Directors – Peggy Harper (dance), Akin Euba (Music), Ola Rotimi (Drama). So, I worked at Ori Olokun strongly in Ife until we did a show and we were taken to Benin. And Ogbemudia (former military governor of old Bendel State) said, ‘you can’t take our Oba back) because I played Ovonramwen Nogbaisi. And Ogbemudia said ‘this is our Oba. He’s not going to Ife with you anymore.’ So, I stayed as Senior Cultural Officer at the Midwest Arts Council, setting up the dance, music and drama section.
You recently did a duet, ‘Baba Agba’, with Poskii, a younger generation musician. With the background you have and the experience of doing the collabo, what can you say about song writing today?
Yes, that’s the reason I even allowed the collaboration with Poskii because all the materials on his album are decent. You want put your name that I’m part of this. There are so many albums or tracks or song writing these days that as a father and grandfather, you will think, I don’t want to mention anyone. I was listening to one and it was on a campus. What I was hearing was disturbing my ears. It’s horrible. There is no song writing anymore. They just take one phrase and repeat it for the next 10 minutes. Songs do not come from any magical source. There must be a reason why you are writing a song. You just don’t go to the studio as they do these days and run one phrase from the bus conductor.
Would you blame the media for the kind of music that we have?
Definitely, you see, majority of the people working in our media now, I don’t know how that has helped them, as long as you put ‘brown envelope’ in their hands, whether you want them to say red is black or green is blue, they would go to that extent to satisfy you. That is not productive media anymore. That is ‘jeun-jeun’ media. How can the radio, instead of doing the attitude of ‘Not To Be Broadcast’, they unleash rubbish on the populace. What kind of a media is that? It’s terrible. So, part of the blame must be on such media practitioners in that area because they have given everything to the dogs.
Can acting be learnt?
Yes, it can be. We are ready to pass on because maybe give me 20 years, I would be gone. We want to start where we can pass it on, give back to some people because I notice that there are different kinds of acting schools, film schools and colleges. And who teaches the acting there?
Tell us about your training centre
Centre for Creative and performing Arts Enhancement, Ipara Remo. I’m building. I have 10 hectare land that I’m collecting works to knock the place the out. But Ife has held me back a little bit. I’m off the grips of Ife now.
Are you retired now?
I am retired but I love Ife. I cannot stay in my grandfather’s house where my father stayed until he was nearly 101 and died. I don’t want to do anything in that kind of house. So, I’m just building the headquarters of the centre in Ipara. It’s taking shape. It will be habitable anytime from now.
You recorded a track ‘Baba Agba’ back in day and also featuring in Poskii’s new track called ‘Ife Baba Agba’, what’s the difference in experience.
The ‘Baba Agba’ song that I had was recorded in 1986. When we were doing dance drama, I wrote a song for Peggy Harper in a dance drama, Wura Kapali. And after a long time, I saw people using that song. So, when I came back from the US and joined them again at the department when Professor Soyinka said that I should stay, that song, the tune, the body, everything, some people, I don’t want to mention names now – they said they want to use it in drama.
So, I just got home one evening, the song was full in my mind – and I changed just one or two words. And the song became a hit. And so, they were calling me Baba Agba till now, when I drive past in Ife. So, I’ve been Baba Agba even when I was just 40. So, for him (Poskii) to now say Ife Baba Agba, that wraps it and I said, well, let’s see.
So, what’s your general assessment of the arts now in the country?
It is when art is attracting good money that we are getting less than the best from them (artistes). All our artistes now gout and earn millions. We were just discussing it. Somebody said, ‘my friend, when we were carrying Bolekaja to carry instruments all over the place, they were giving us pittance. Now, all you need do is just your CD and you into a millionaire’s house, they give you five million and they give you another two million for transportation for just singing. So, whoever is in the arts now, don’t stop because the doors are open now. Between December and now, I’ve done about one million, 1.5 million naira job for singing for 30 minutes because I’m consistent. Some people already gave up. Because I’m consistent, now, they are paying me the amount they should pay me. So, now is when good artistes must polish their acts.