Tag: Ezekwesili

  • ‘Youth empowerment, leadership solutions to insecurity’

    Nigerian former Minister of Education, Dr. Oby Ezekwesili has urged the Federal government to curb the challenges of insecurity going on in the country through youths empowerment.

    She lamented the leadership style prevalent in most African countries. She added that  the continent has faced so much crisis in the past, adding that there is need to urgently address the situation before it goes out of hand.

    Speaking as guest lecturers at the Women of Essence Programme which had African Women in Leadership in a Troubllet Era as theme at Eko Hotel, Lagos, the former minister said corruption has taken over the entire system of governance in Africa and should be fought.

    Citing Nigeria as an example, she said the country is badly affected because of the selfishness of the human heart, adding that everybody is jostling to become a political leader and occupy an office but when voted in, they don’t deliver the dividends of democracy to the electorate.

    She said: “The country is full of deceit. Nowhere is safe, most especially with the killings by  herdsmen and Boko-Haram killings.

    “Singapore got independence same year with Nigeria but Nigeria has been so backward because of the height of corruption in leadership style in Nigeria. We are not developing rather we are reducing in terms of styles and size, if everybody is killed in Nigeria who are they going to govern.

  • Quality education key to industry devt, say Wabote, Ezekwesili

    The Executive Secretary, Nigerian Content Development and Monitoring Board (NCDMB), Simbi Wabote and former Education Minister, Dr. Obiageli Ezekwesili, have harped on the importance of quality education in capacity and national development.

    They spoke at the Oil and Gas Trainers Association’s (OGTAN’s) first National Education Summit in Lagos.

    The NCDMB chief in his paper entitled: “Sustaining local content through quality education and training,” stressed the need to domicile the production of educational materials used at the primary, secondary and tertiary levels.

    Quoting data from the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS), he said  about five million pupils are enrolled in primary schools yearly while the total population in all the primary schools is about 24 million.

    He added: “Twenty-four million pupils mean that we should be producing at least 50 million pencils every year in our country. Imagine the number of employment generated if this is the case and the retained value if such endeavor is done in-country. We need about two million computers every year just for our secondary and university students. These are just some of the opportunities that could help booster our local content practice. There are much more from shoes to uniforms and the rest. That is the reason we have always advocated sectorial linkages to other sectors of the economy, such as Information Communication Technology (ICT), power, and construction if we truly want to deepen our local content practice.”

    He explained that there are five key parameters required for sustainable local content practice, listing some of them to include the existence of a regulatory framework to specify the roles and expectations of stakeholders in the implementation process and capacity building of local manufacturing, infrastructural development and human capacity.

    Other necessary parameters include periodic gap analysis to determine gaps that are needed to be closed in the areas of skills, facilities and infrastructure, research and development and the provision of funding and incentives to attract new investments and keep existing businesses afloat where required.

    Dwelling on the Board’s Human Capacity Development programme, the Executive Secretary said the Board had put in place “the 60-20-20 principle in which 60 percent of the Board’s and industry’s training resources and efforts would be devoted to providing young Nigerians with specialised skills they need to secure employment. Twenty percent will be geared towards improving the productivity of personnel while another 20 percent of spend will be used for training on soft skills.

    ‘’Under the new strategy, beneficiaries will be provided with qualitative skills and international certifications that will position them for employment within and outside Nigeria.”

    Delivering the keynote address, the former Minister for Education Dr. Obiageli Ezekwesili insisted that the oil and gas industry cannot make a positive contribution to the economy without focusing on human capacity development. “The take-off points of countries’ development,’’ she said, ‘’are connected to when they enhanced the capabilities of their citizens.”

    She underscored the need to accelerate the pace of implementing the Nigerian Content Act and focused on outcomes that are measurable. “We must measure performance against set targets,” she said.

    Mrs Ezekwesili, who is also a former Solid Minerals minister and  World Bank Vice President, averred that the structure of the Nigerian and world economy had changed, hence education policy needed to change to reflect the new realities.

    “The policy makers must anticipate where the world is going. Education must enable us build a society where our people can compete globally. Artificial intelligence and simulation data are the big things today. The world will not wait for our oil,” she said.

    At the event, OGTAN also conferred the Local Content Development Achievement on Wabote in recognition of his achievements in less than two years in office.

    OGTAN President, Dr. Mayowa Afe, said NCDMB has exceeded its targets in Nigerian Content Act  implementation and contributed immensely to the development of youths.

    Accepting the award, the Executive Secretary praised the Board’s workers for the successes he had attained, noting that they cooperated and bought into his vision.

    He challenged the workers on hardwork and innovation, adding that there is a lot work to be done to deepen the implementation of Local Content practice.

    “How can we benefit all sectors of the economy? How can we impact the military and help them domesticate their clothing and hardware?”

    He said a lot of progress was being made in the implementation, and challenged every stakeholder to use their sphere of influence to make positive contributions to  local content development.

  • Ezekwesili: Presidency has a lot to tell Nigerians

    Former Education Minister #BringBackOurGirls (#BBOG) advocacy leader Dr. Oby Ezekwesili yesterday said that the Presidency has a lot to tell Nigerians about the release of the Dapchi girls.

    Dr. Ezekwesili expressed her joy at the release of the girls by Boko Haram in a number of tweets.

    She insisted that the 14 questions demanded by the group  remained more relevant now, adding that it was saddening that five of the girls had to die due to a preventable tragedy.

    She said: “76 out of 110? And what is the story with the rest of OUR #DapchiGirls? This is not a time for piecemeal information? Pls .@AsoRock provide detailed report on this return of #DapchiGirls now.

    “What a real pity. Extremely saddened that even one of our #DapchiGirls died in this entirely preventable tragedy. Now five parents will be grieving these unpardonable deaths. Our prayers are with them for God’s comfort & peace that passes all human understanding.

    “Someone just asked me if our Movement .@BBOG_Nigeria will continue with our legal suit against .@AsoRock @NGRPresident @MBuhari for the gross negligence that let to #DapChiGirlsAbduction.

    “I responded YES. Our 14 questions have become even more relevant with their return.

    “Very good that .@AsoRock @NGRPresident have now confirmed the return of our #DapchiGirls . we are glad. Beyond happy for our girls and their families.

    “Pls swiftly deploy the winning formula to secure return of our #112 ChibokGirls who will god forbids 4 years with terrorists.

    “Aaaaaah!! There is so much joy that this news is springing up from our hearts!

    There are so many questions that everything about their “abduction” are springing up from our minds.

    “@AsoRock @MBuhari @NGRPresident sure have a lot they need to tell the people of Nigeria.”

  • 2019: Ashimolowo, Ezekwesili, others push for strategic engagement

    2019: Ashimolowo, Ezekwesili, others push for strategic engagement

    Churches and Christians must devise ways of strategic engagement in politics and governance for the redemption of the nation.

    This was the consensus at a leadership panel with the theme the role of Christians in politics and the role of women in politics by Pastors and Leaders Network.

    The conference was hosted by Senior Pastor of The Fountain of Life Church, Taiwo Odukoya, to sensitise the church on the importance of political participation for good governance.

    At the panel coordinated by Chairperson of First Bank Nigeria Plc, Ibukun Awosika, speaker after speaker lamented the apathetic disposition of Christians to politics and governance.

    This, they said, was responsible for the gross absence of good governance that would have engendered developmental strides across the nation.

    The founder of Kingsway International Christian Church United Kingdom, Pastor Mathew Ashimolowo, bemoaned the lack of political agenda by the church.

    This, he said, makes the church reactionary instead of innovative politically.

    To change the tide, Ashimolowo called on the church to have a 20-year political plan that comprehensively explains the agenda and how to achieve it.

    The plan, he said, must be followed through right from the level of the small groups with a training school for emerging Christian politicians.

    According to him: “The church is so badly educated on politics that it only reacts instead of invent. We need a political training school like the kind Daniel and the three Hebrew boys attended in ancient Babylon for emerging leaders.”

    The plan, he added, must also have achievable strategies for funding so that a powerful political base can evolve for national transformation.

    Former Minister of Education, Obiageli Ezekwesili, lamented that the church has been left behind in the affairs of the nation.

    “Expecting that quality leadership will just emerge is foolish. We need to build a base for emerging leaders,” she stated.

    Declaring that leadership is gender-neutral, Ezekwesili said nations that allow women to be involved in political leadership have been found to be more prosperous economically than their counterparts that bar women.

    Rwanda, according to her, has the highest women politicians at 63.1 percent while Nigeria boasts of a paltry six percent, a development she pointed out reflects in the development indices of both nations.

    She called on women not to allow themselves to be silenced in political processes, lamenting many Christian women with capacity have sadly kept quiet.

    Political activist, Adebola Williams, stated that the church must invest massively in technology and media to engineer political changes.

    He pointed out that political leaders have conspired to put the masses on survival mode so that they can show zero-interest in governance.

    To change the narratives, he said churches must embrace media and technological inventions to empower people for political participation.

    Founder of Rise Networks, Toyosi Akerele-Ogunsiji, bemoaned that the church has been sold on the lie that it must be apolitical.

    “Politics,” according to her, “is the business of the church and everyone. If you think you are not affected, think of the taxes slammed on your business and the untarred roads that lead to avoidable accidents and deaths.”

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  • Onyema, Ezekwesili stress financial literacy

    Chief Executive Officer, Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE), Mr Oscar Onyema, and a former Minister of Education, Dr Oby Ezekwesili have emphasised the importance of financial literacy as a catalyst for lifting Nigeria and Africa out of poverty.

    Speaking at the awards ceremony of the 2017 NSE Essay Competition for Senior Secondary Schools Students in Nigeria, Onyema and Ezekwesili said financial literacy has direct positive impact on livelihoods, economic growth, sound financial systems, and poverty reduction.

    Onyema noted that contemporary society requires everyone to understand the principles of money management and to develop personal financial management skills that will enable them manage their finances effectively to achieve financial freedom.

    According to him, in realisation of the importance of financial literacy, the NSE has been implementing a number of programmes to promote financial literacy among young Nigerians, by encouraging them to learn how good financial decisions can better their lives now and in the future and ultimately grow the economy.

    He noted that through the NSE Essay Competition, the Exchange has, since inception, inspired over 60,000 young people in more than 7,000 schools across Nigeria to showcase what they have learnt about the financial market.

    Ezekwesili observed that Nigeria can only eradicate the dynasty of poverty through education noting that every country that has climbed out of poverty has done it on the back of improvement in the quality of education and the human capital.

    She urged teachers, parents and other stakeholders to be inclusive in inculcating financial literacy to the younger children, so as to raise a generation that will participate more in private sector and trades that will create wealth.

     

     

    She noted that the private sector must necessarily be more interested in the state of the schools in the country because these schools are the factories where the top talents needed by the private sector are produced.

    She also charged the students to think differently as they are the generation that will participate in the disruptive revolution.

    At the awards ceremony, Miss Gbenjo Olasubomi of Good Shepherd Comprehensive High School, Lagos State, emerged winner of the 2017 edition of the NSE Essay Competition after coming third in the 2016 edition. She clinched the first position ahead of over 10,100 participants across the country, winning N500,000 scholarship fund for university education, N250,000 equity investment and a laptop. Her school was also rewarded with a trophy, three desktop computers and a printer.

     

    Olanipekun Opeyeoluwa of Oritamefa Baptist Model School, Ibadan, Oyo State and Chukwuemeka Oluchi of Notre Dame Girls College, Ilorin, Kwara State, emerged first and second runners up respectively. Each of them also got a laptop, equity investment and cash rewards. Their schools got varying number of computers and trophy. Seven laptops were given as consolation prizes to seven other winners.

     

  • Ezekwesili wants financial literacy for students early

    Ezekwesili wants financial literacy for students early

    Dr Oby Ezekwesili, a formerMinister of Education, on Wednesday said Nigerian youth should be equipped with skills and knowledge that would aid their understanding of financial matters right from secondary school.

    Ezekwesili stated this at the 2017 Nigerian Stock Exchange Essay Competition Awards Ceremony in Lagos.

    “We need to offer children financial literacy before they get to senior secondary schools.

    “It help and guarantees the young ones to grow into adults that can achieve financial security and success, and make informed decisions,” she said.

    The ex-minister said an individual who has acquired financial literacy is considered financially secured and able to succeed.

    “We must handle our youths with tools such as financial literacy because for too long, we have been made the poorest region in the world,” she said.

    Ezekwesili said Nigeria needs a newer generation that would help in changing the story.

    “Every country that has managed to do better, every country that has climbed out of poverty, has improved in education.

    “The basis of improvement is quality education.

    “We should be more interested in the state of the school system in Nigeria.

    “Anytime I see these young children excelling, I feel excited because I really don’t want their generation to repeat all the failures of my generation and the generation before me.

    “I am so such optimistic that Africa can claim its place in the 21st century because of our young ones,” she said.

    Ezekwesili commended the stock exchange for its investment in the education sector and called for more support from the private sector.

    “We need a collective effort on education.

    “The more the stock exchange will lead this process, the more the private sector understands that if they will find world class talents in this country, they have to be interested in what goes on in the education; so, it becomes a collective effort,” she said.

    Mr Oscar Onyema, Chief Executive Officer, the Nigerian Stock Exchange said the NSE would continue to invest in and develop financial education in schools.

    Onyema said the NSE was committed to playing its part in building a financially savvy generation, leveraging the essay competition and other initiatives.

    According to him, teaching students at a very young age the basics of finance and the capital market is essential to their broad financial literacy education.

    “Year on year, the participation and interest continues to increase, affirming the appetite of these future leaders for personal development.

    “The 2017 edition had a 36 per cent increase from the 2016 one, with over 10,100 entries received nationwide.

    “Through partnerships with Access Bank Plc, Zenith Bank Plc and Prime Atlantic Energy, the competition was a success.

    “In developing the entries, students are encouraged to consider real-world economic events and trends, conduct research online, develop investment knowledge and in the process gain the skills to prepare for their own financial future,” he said.

    Onyema said the the 2017 winners emerged from a rigorous and phased assessment process carried out by capital market professionals.

    “From the process, 10 national winners were selected, who further competed at the final stage to determine the overall best three entries and winners,” he said.

    According to him, the outstanding performance of the brilliant young is being recognised and rewarded today with equity investments, scholarship and sets of computers.

    “It is a win for the students and their schools,” he said.

    NAN

  • More women must participate in politics, says Ezekwesili

    More women must participate in politics, says Ezekwesili

    •Eminent personalities at HID Awolowo Foundation Lecture

    Women have been urged to deploy their great talents to nation-building by ensuring they participate in politics and governance.

    Former Minister of Education Oby Ezekwesili made the call yesterday at the maiden edition of the Hannah Idowu Dideolu Awolowo Foundation Lecture in Lagos.

    Notable personalities across the country attended the event to honour the late matriarch of Awolowo family.

    In her keynote address, Mrs. Ezekwesili said women should leave their comfort zone and use their ample talents to change the face of governance in Nigeria and Africa.

    In her lecture titled: “Ethical politics, peace, development and security: The critical importance of women’s leadership”, she said it had been difficult to achieve good governance because leaders have not been accountable to the people.

    Mrs. Ezekwesili added that women have been marginalised in the term of governance, stressing that men should take responsibilities for the country’s mismanagement.

    She said: “Until we are guided to improve the participation of women in our political system, things will not be properly done. We need to have more women in local governments, we need to have more women in state governments and we need to have more women at the centre of our politics.

    “There is the need to have more women at our legislature, judiciary and in the executive branch of governance. Women should occupy positions where the collective good of societies are taken. It has been proven that where women occupied such positions there is less corruption.”

    She explained that the poor use of the 60 per cent of the country’s human resources was responsible for the backwardness the country is facing, adding that societies where women were recognised made outstanding progress.

    The former minister said the country’s political system act as a barrier to the development of women, noting that the system was deliberately fashioned to shortchange women.

    “By virtues of our standing today in memory of a woman, who gave everything for the political maturation of the country, we dare to say it is time to devolve the Nigerian political system.

    “It is now time for the women of Nigeria to disrupt the existing paradigm that says you must hold the women down because for as long as the women are held down, and we continue to struggle on the current trajectory, the trend analysis does not show any reverse.

    “If we care about the generation ahead, we must make sure we put the women exactly at the centre of the management of our communities. Women should no longer be at the margin of community development because women are incredible human resources that we must put to use,” she said.

    A discussant and Publisher and Chairman of The Guardian Newspaper, Lady Maiden Ibru, said politics was all about power, noting that nobody would give women power on a platter of gold.

    She said what women achieved in the country was due to selfless efforts, noting that women in business were presently contributing to the country’s economic system.

    “The time has come for the women to come to the front to say enough is enough. It is the women who are the wives, mothers who actually mould the character of the children to move to the society. Therefore, the role of women in society development cannot be underestimated.”

    Presiding Pastor, Latter Rain Assembly Pastor Tunde Bakare urged people of goodwill to support women in the liberation struggle, noting that women signified peace and stability.

    He said: “In the Garden of Eden, God already designed how it will work. God put a lot on the woman and expect much from woman. In the part of the country that I come from, when women take decision, nobody can stop them.”

    Chairman of the occasion Senator Daisy Danjuma said the HID Awolowo’s roles in the moral and virtues keeping were immeasurable, noting that people from all walks of life visited her to tap from her wise counsel when she lived.

    She enjoined Nigerian women to be upright and support their spouses, noting that whatever they did would be rewarded in due course.

    The convener, Dr. Tokunbo Awolowo-Dosumu thanked the women for the unalloyed support she enjoyed from the Nigerian women.

    Those present at the event were Senator Olorunnimbe Mamora, former Information Minister Labaran Maku, former Ondo State governor Olusegun Mimiko, eminent scholar Prof. Adebayo Williams, Erelu Bisi Fayemi, Erelu Abiola Dosunmu, Mrs. Abimbola Fashola, Mr. Gbenga Adefaye and Otunba Gani Adams.

    Others were Mrs. Abimbola Jakande, Mr. Yinka Odumakin, Alhaji Tajudeen Olusi, Mrs. Abba Folawiyo, Mr. Taiwo Alimi, Arewa Youths leader Shettima Yerima and others.

     

  • Ezekwesili’s damning barbs

    Ezekwesili’s damning barbs

    IRKED by what she saw as very damning bias demonstrated by the Muhammadu Buhari presidency against the Southeast, former Education minister, Oby Ezekwesili, took to Twitter to query the president’s nationalist credentials. She was not often blunt when she addressed public policy issues, but this time, she would not mince words on an issue she felt demonstrably agitated about. Her tweet was a summary lesson to the president on the concept of leadership, a lesson that is not necessarily new but is nonetheless profound. Her tone was, however, despondent, unsure that the man she was directing her tweet to was capable of reforming his leadership style and rubric.

    Said Mrs Exekwesili: “It is tragic that you, our President, Muhammadu Buhari, have deliberately or inadvertently alienated a segment of the people you lead. It is tragic…The leader of a country cannot be friends only of those he/she likes. No. That is not leadership. The leader builds up groups. Not divide. You cannot lead only those that worship and swear by you. You are the leader. You must carry the burden even of those that detest you. It is the lowest form of churlishness that is unbecoming of a leader to send signals that you dislike anyone of the groups you lead. A leader is a winner. When a winner acts like a loser, things go wrong in his kingdom. Real leaders build a bond with all their people. Worst is when a leader makes enemies of most because he abhors the action of one or a few. That is not leadership! That is ethnic prejudice. A real leader does not suffer from the destructive disease of ethnic prejudice. It endangers his/her people and real leaders cannot bear such.”

    It is hard to fault the premise of the former Education minister’s arguments, especially her observation about the implications of recent events in the Southeast. She does not attempt to deny the problems, nor to assign blames and draw lines. Her main argument was that a leader should exist to manage crises and resolve conflicts without prejudice. She takes umbrage at President Buhari’s disinclination to tackle these crises, especially the ones with ethnic connotations, with the dispassion, diligence and logic expected of deep leaders. Her scepticism was in fact resounding enough to elicit the anger and rejoinder of presidential spokesman, Garba Shehu. In his response, Mallam Shehu was particularly sarcastic and censorious. Said he: ” Mrs. Ezekwesili retreated to the background or lost her voice while IPOB supporters were violently molesting, harassing, attacking and jeopardising the lives of indigenes and non-indigenes.”

    Then he adds: “While it is convenient for the civil society activist to condemn the military and the government of President Buhari, Mrs Ezekwesili didn’t find it appropriate, even once, to criticise the dangerous and violent propaganda being propagated by the IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu. Oby, as they call her, tweets on everything. Why was she silent on this one?” It was clear Mallam Shehu narrowed his counterarguments to the misdeeds of the Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB) and its leader, Nnamdi Kanu, who, apart from being sometimes irrational and extremist, has also been unable to control the excesses of his pro-Biafra group’s members. The presidential spokesman expected that everyone should see those misdeeds as expiating the strong-arm approach of the government. But do those misdeeds justify the seeming bias against the Southeast which many observers have noticed?

    How Mallam Shehu missed the main issue raised by Mrs Ezekwesili is truly hard to fathom. Even though it was clear what facts undergirded her arguments, she managed to keep the discourse at an elevated and conceptual level, raising one nuanced point after the other. Except Mallam Shehu and perhaps those who surround the president, there is hardly anyone else who has not observed that the president, despite his many denials, and despite publishing the statistics of ministerial appointments, has appeared to exhibit some animus towards the Southeast. According to Mrs Ezekwesili, those feelings are real. But according to Mallam Shehu, the feelings are unreal. Until the president can be persuaded to appreciate that he is part of the problem, particularly because of the signals he unfortunately emits concerning the various ethnic groups and religions in the country, the problem will continue to fester. Mallam Shehu, predictably, cannot coax the president to reform his ideas and style. In fact by his impulsive attack on the president’s detractors, the spokesman gives the impression his job is obviously not to reason why; his job is to carry out the bidding of the president and the presidency, no matter how insensate.

  • Ezekwesili: 120 JAMB cut off mark racing from bottom to top

    Ezekwesili: 120 JAMB cut off mark racing from bottom to top

    Former Minister of Education, Mrs. Oby Ezekwesili, yesterday criticised the decision of the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB) to reduce the cut off mark for admission into universities to 120.

    She described it as running a race from top to bottom,  saying the examination body has outlived the purpose for which it was established.

    Ezekweseli told newsmen in Abuja that rather than conduct entrance examination for university admission, JAMB should only play a regulatory role while universities are granted autonomy to conduct their entrance examinations to determine the quality of students they want to admit.

    She said: “I will say no and there has to be much more intensity in determining the qualification attribute should be and once we do that, it will set us way back to early child education.

    “When I see society screening about this cut off mark they have done, I say you are wasting tears on a symptom.

    “You need to go to the root of the problem and that means we need to go back to the first phase in education, which is early child care, basic education and secondary education which ultimately determine the readiness of our children to university education.”

    She explained that the idea of establishing JAMB was that in a federal system, the government wanted to find a means of equalising standards to ensure that you set the bar in a way that brings in everybody.

    According to her, “What you then have to look at is, does it continue to be relevant as a standard setting mechanism to actually determine who gets to what university and how? I would say not anymore.

    “What we need to do not is to make the role of JAMB as an exam regulatory body and to grant the universities the kind of autonomy that would enable them determine the kind of students they want in their universities and the level of academic achievement that they must have to enter their universities and to do in such a way that you do not identify mediocrity.

    “The way to do it is to ensure that the quality of the products of each university is traced by society and rewarded according to their accomplishment.

    “When that begins to happen, universities that are busy taking lowly class people into their system will not be places people want to go to.”

    She went on:  “There will be that law of natural selection on the basis of competitiveness.

    “What we have sacrificed in this society is the idea of competitiveness.

    “Competition is the factor that drives creativity, innovation and excellence. As long as we go on a race to the bottom, we will never be a great nation.”

    Throwing more light on the cut off mark, the former Minister said: “I think there are really issues in terms of determining the bench mark for the qualified students of our tertiary institutions.

    “But I don’t think that we are addressing it in the more fundamental ways it needs to be addressed.

    “What exactly is the score in a JAMB exam? What does it really mean? I think that we need to be even more robust in determining that.

    “There are basic objective questions but there should be a way that decentralises the capacity of universities to determine the qualification and character in competency and cognitive ability of those that they would admit.

    “As we go into a new global economic state in the world, it will not be sufficient that those who score between 120 and 180 become the standard.

    “They are not setting your ceiling, they are setting your floor.

    “But what we should ask is whether the floor of 120 is sufficient to give a university the right raw materials to train in other to make them world class human capital.

    “I will say no and there has to be much more intensity in determining the qualification attribute should be and once we do that, it will set us way back to early child education.”