Tag: Justice Onnoghen

  • INEC releases timetable for Bayelsa, Kogi gov polls this week

    The Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) on Monday said it will release, before the end of this week, the timetable and schedule of activities for the end of tenure governorship elections in Bayelsa and Kogi States billed to hold at separate dates later this year.

    Its chairman, Professor Mahmood Yakubu, made the disclosure when he led other members of the Commission to defend the Commission’s 2019 budget proposal before a joint session of the Senate Committee on INEC and House Committee on Electoral matters.

    Yakubu, while breaking down the Commission’s 2019 budget proposal of N45.4 billion, explained: “This year we are going to conduct two end of tenure elections into the offices of the governors in Kogi and Bayelsa States.

    “This year towards the end of the year we are going to conduct governorship elections in Kogi and Bayelsea.”

    He added: “Let me seize this opportunity here to say before the end of this week INEC will issue a timetable and schedule of activities for the governorship elections in Kogi and Bayelsa states”.

    On the 2019 INEC budget, he observed that the Commission was receiving same envelop amount as 2017 and 2018.

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    He said: “For 2019, we were presented with an envelope of N45.5 billion as our regular budget. This is the same envelope as in 2018 only slightly better than the envelopes of several years before them.

    “In 2017, it was 45 billion in 2016 it was 45 billion naira and in 2018 it was increased marginally to 45.5 billion and the same envelope was presented to the Commission in 2018 and 2019.”

    He noted that in terms of performance of the Commissions budget in the previous year, INEC was fully funded.

    “I will say for the 2018 financial year we were fully funded. We were on the first line charge so in terms of the releases from the executive to the Commission we were fully funded,” the INEC boss said.

    The INEC chairman further gave a breakdown of the proposed 45.5 billion naira, which he explained were in four components.

    He said: “The first one is personnel cost and in 2019 the commission is proposing the sum of 21.8 billion naira to cover consolidated salaries for 16,455 career employees of INEC and 51 political office holders, making a total of 16,506 employees of the commission in 2019.

    “The personnel cost is broken into two subheads, you have the consolidated salary of 17.5 billion and you have the social contribution, National Health Insurance, contributory pension, and employee compensation of 4.3 billion naira.”

    The second component, according to Yakubu, is the overhead cost put at N4.2 billion while the third budget head is for electoral expenditure.

    “The Commission is proposing the sum of N17.7 billion under the electoral expenditure to cover such activities as monitoring party primaries, conventions, voter education, stakeholder meeting legal expenses and others,” he explained.

    He said the fourth and final budget head for which N1.6billion was earmarked was for capital expenditure.

    The chairman Senate Committee on INEC, Senator Suleiman Nazif, commended INEC for a job well done in the just concluded 2019 general elections even as he noted that there were concerns that should be addressed going forward.

     

  • Nigerian judicial impasse: the way forward

    It is of no moment whether Justice Onnoghen has admitted that he forgot to declare some of his assets at the Code of Conduct Bureau. What is of value in the eye of the law is that due process must be followed in bringing an accused person to justice, the principle of fair hearing and due procedure of court processes must be followed. The rule of law is not executive rascality, neither is it selective adjudication, it is laws according to the Constitution. It is no longer news that President Muhammadu Buhari has suspended the Chief Justice of Nigeria, Justice Walter Onnoghen, and sworn in Justice Tanko Mohammed from Bauchi State as Acting Chief Justice. This is in line with the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Tribunal. Despite the restraining order from the Court of Appeal preventing the CCT from proceeding with the prosecution of the CJN pending the determination of the substantive suit, the CCT went ahead to give an exparte order that led President Muhammadu Buhari to suspend CJN Onnoghen and swear in an Acting CJN in the person of Justice Tanko Mohammed.

    However, it is trite law that you cannot charge a judicial officer to court for corruption or criminal allegations until the National Judicial Council, NJC, has first disciplined him for gross misconduct. This established principle of law is encapsulated in the case of Nganjiwa v. Federal Republic of Nigeria. Suspending the CJN is a rape on the Judiciary and is unconstitutional. If the procedure adopted to obtain justice is wrong, the whole process is void ab initio. To every wrong, the law provides a remedy, Ubi jus ibi remedium.

    The jurisdiction of the Code of Conduct Tribunal has already been challenged, and until the issue of jurisdiction is determined, the CCT cannot go ahead to deliver any order, as any action taken is void ab initio. You cannot put something on nothing and expect it to stand. Jurisdiction is a preliminary issue. A court cannot give itself jurisdiction over any matter as doing so will result in an error of law. Subjection to the control of superior courts is a necessary and inseparable issue in law.

    Jurisdiction is the lifeline and blood that gives life to the survival of an action in court. Without jurisdiction, the court will be like an animal that has been drained of its blood. No tribunal or court of limited jurisdiction can give itself jurisdiction by a wrong decision on a point collateral to the merit of the case upon which the limit of its jurisdiction depends – Per Lord Coleridge in Bunbury v. Fuller.

    On Monday 28th January 2019, the Code of Conduct Tribunal adjourned further proceedings until the determination of the suit before the Court of Appeal, as according to the CCT, it is law abiding and obeys the rule of law. But how come it proceeded to issue an exparte order directing the president of Nigeria to suspend CJN Onnoghen even when there were already restraining orders against it from various courts of competent jurisdiction?

    How did we get to this sorry pass? Institutions and agents of government now select which court orders to obey. The law is clear on the procedure to discipline erring judges. It is instructive to note that a judicial officer cannot be removed from office before his age of retirement except in accordance with the Constitution, section 292(1), where it involves misconduct or contravention of the code of conduct, and on the recommendation of the National Judicial Council to the president who takes appropriate steps acting on an address supported by two-third majority of the Senate. There is no such provision as acting on the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Tribunal.

    The Federal High Court has since barred the federal government from prosecuting the CJN. Similarly the National Industrial Court has given similar judgement restraining the federal government and its agents from prosecuting the CJN. The Court of Appeal sitting in Abuja has also restrained the federal government from acting. The action of the federal government in suspending the CJN is usurping the powers of the judiciary.

    The judiciary should enjoy independence and certain degree of freedom and immunity to be able to carry out its duties freely without fear or favour. The importance of the independence of the judiciary in any society cannot be overemphasised. This all-important sector is so critical that it cannot be humiliated or muzzled into slavery. The law has stated the remedy and the procedure to follow in this kind of controversy. Let the rule of law be obeyed.

    To this end, the National Judicial Council has risen to the occasion as it has already issued queries against the suspended CJN, and even the Acting CJN. That is the way it should go. The insinuation in some quarters that Justice Onnoghen will meddle into his probe is a fallacy as the NJC is a neutral body and upright. The National Judicial Council on Tuesday 29th January 2019 issued a seven-day ultimatum to Justice Walter Onnoghen to respond to allegations levelled against him, especially why he failed to declare his assets as stipulated by law?

    Similarly, the Acting CJN, Tanko Mohammed, was also asked to explain why he allowed himself to be sworn in by President Muhammadu Buhari without the recommendation of the NJC as stipulated in the Constitution?

    With the litany of cases pending in court, and with the recent approach of the Senate to the Supreme Court on this same issue, there is the need to preserve the res in this whole controversy, it is quite apt now for the Attorney General of the Federation to file a Nolle prosequi and discontinue this case with regards to the public interest, the interest of justice and the need to preserve abuse of legal process, as contained in Section 174 (1)(c) & (3) Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 (as amended).

    Now is the time to maintain the status quo and let the rule of law take its full course. The National Judicial Council should be allowed to do its job as stipulated in Section 292 (1) of the Constitution.

    • Peter, University of Benin, Edo State.

    erekosepeter@yahoo.com.

    07067446977.

  • 1,000 youth groups back Buhari over Onnoghen suspension

    With the dust from the suspension of ex-Chief Justice Walter Onnoghen yet to settle, almost 1000 youth groups across the country have backed President Muhammadu Buhari’s action.
    The embattled judicial chief is facing trial over non-declaration of assets.
    In a statement released by Comrade Aaron Tobias  Turner, Secretary of the Communique Drafting Committee, on Monday, Mr Buhari has no fault in the decision taken.
    According to the group, Mr Onnoghen would have done the needful by stepping aside hence avoided such dramatic and shameful exit.
    “Questions about the integrity of Justice Walter Onnoghen are not new. What is new is that there is finally an administration that is bold enough to take steps that will save the judiciary from the transactional culture that had turned the courts in Nigeria into shams where justice is bought and sold. The hesitation in naming him as the Chief Justice of Nigeria (CJN) was informed by the knowledge of his pro-corruption tendencies.
    “Upon being found out, if he were a patriot and one that is conscious of his oath of office, Justice Onnoghen should have recused himself from judicial duties for the length of time it would have taken to defend himself before the Code of Conduct Tribunal (CCT) after which he could return to his post should he be able to prove himself as innocent. He would have gone down in history as a great Nigerian had he threaded this path instead of turning himself into the lead character in the unfolding drama of absurdity.
    “Justice Onnoghen, in a previous ruling, had himself affirmed the independence of the CCT being a creation of the Constitution and one that cannot be challenged by other courts. It is only proper that President Muhammadu Buhari follows the order of the CCT that directed him to suspend Justice Onnoghen to answer charges of false assets declaration against him.

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    “The offence of failure to properly declare his assets including the secret bank accounts and operating foreign accounts in contravention of the law are now being overshadowed by the unnecessary drama that have been whipped up by his supporters. The duplicity of using the elections as blackmail has not obliterated the fact that Justice Onnoghen violated the law and this in spite of his untenable defence of mistake and forgetfulness.
    “The composition of those speaking in defence of Onnoghen is suspect. Those canvassing for his reinstatement are clearly people that stand to benefit from his continued stay in office. They include leading opposition figures, the same people that have been accused of bribing him with the money found in his undeclared bank accounts. His support base include militants and separatist terrorists with members standing trial. Like the opposition politicians, their members could be handed death sentence, they have cases that would be appealed up to the Supreme Court. The nature of those that have spoken in favour of Justice Onnoghen therefore constitute a fresh crisis of interest for him.
    “Justice Onnoghen supporters have recruited foreign interests and other countries to undermine Nigeria’s sovereignty in an attempt to block the country’s ability to fight corruption. The opposition and their civil society arm are now creating a precedence where Nigeria must get the approval of the United States, United Kingdom, the European Union and just any other western country before taking any action in furtherance of citizens’ interest.”
  • Osinbajo to Nigerians: Insist on leaders with character, integrity

    *Rule of law pillar of democracy, say CJN, Babalakin

    Vice President Yemi Osinbajo (SAN) on Thursday urged Nigerians to insist on leaders with character and integrity.

    He said good governance would be impossible without the right people in power.

    The Vice-President spoke at the University of Lagos (UNILAG) Faculty of Law 2018 public lecture with the theme: The rule of law as panacea for peace, security and good governance in a democracy.                                                

    Chief Justice Walter Onnoghen, who delivered the lecture, and UNILAG Pro-Chancellor Dr Wale Babalakin (SAN), who chaired the event, said good governance and peace would be impossible without the rule of law.

    They also called for an independent judiciary and for court orders to be respected.

    Osinbajo, represented by Presidential Advisory Committee Against Corruption (PACAC) Executive Secretary Prof Bolaji Owasanoye, said each arm of government must fulfill its constitutional role for rule of law to thrive.

    He said: “The rule of law being the heartbeat of democratic governance, we must accept that obeying the law will promote peace, security and ultimately good governance.

    “The rule of law is the principle of governance in which all parties are accountable to laws that are enacted, enforced and independently adjudicated.

    “It is one of the sacred constitutional doctrines that require taking necessary measures to ensure accountability, fairness in the application of law, avoidance of arbitrariness and procedural and legal transparency.”

    According to him, if the triad of government fails to fulfill their constitutional mandates, the aspirations for peace and security would be a mirage, everyone is victimized and the society pays the price.

    “Irrespective of the composition of government and the dominance or otherwise of one political party controlling the executive or the legislature, the triad of the executive, the legislature and the judiciary will work together as a cooperative government in order that the expectations of the people for good governance is not dashed, because what the people want is good governance.

    “The first step to achieve the goal set by the theme of this lecture is the proper evaluation of the character and the integrity of the persons elected or appointed to positions of authority in all the arms and levels of government. If we’re able to get this basic issue right, we’re closer to our dream of peace, security and good governance in our democracy.

    “Failure at this level implies that the foundation has been destroyed, therefore leaving the righteous with the difficult if not an impossible task of building something from nothing.”

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    He called for citizen involvement, saying: “For us to build a nation of our dreams, the citizens must also sucritinise the actions of those elected or appointed with objective and non-partisan mindset.”

    Osinbajo praised the CJN for taking pro-active measures towards strengthening the judiciary.

    Chief Justice Onnoghen said the observance of the rule of law was a pre-requisite for peace, security and good governance in a democracy.

    He regretted that the rule of law was “disregarded” by past administrations, while powerful individuals acted above the law.

    The CJN said: “It is quite discouraging that the rule of law has over time been disregarded in Nigeria and successive administrations have continued to show total disdain for its development.

    “Hence, it will not be improper or out of place to conclude that without improvement on the observance of the rule of law, it will be impossible for Nigeria to experience peace, security and good governance.”

    Chief Justice Onnoghen was of the view that security was critical for national cohesion and sustainable development.

    “Any government that is against the enthronement of the rule of law is by implication inviting anarchy into the system. A democratic government must not only obey the law but also courts’ orders,” he said.

    The CJN believed Nigeria urgently needed “a vibrant and independent judiciary” that must “at all times frown at any interference from other arms of government” while guaranteeing access to justice for all.

    According to him, the court system must be truly independent, accountable, efficient, impartial, accessible and credible, adding that the courts expect the utmost respect of the law from the government that rules by the law.

    “The level of respect and obedience accorded by the citizens of any civilised democratic society to court orders, judgments and other judicial acts determine the level of development of the rule of law and consequently the maintenance of peace, order and public good in such a society or state,” Chief Justice Onnoghen said.

    Dr Babalakin emphasized that the rule of law could not thrive in the absence of an independent judiciary.

    “We’re still struggling to convince the entire society that it is to our mutual benefit that we have adherence to the rule of law. I’m relatively young in the system, but I’ve seen successive governments pay lip service to the rule of law.

    “They emphasize the rule of law when they’re in opposition, and capitulate as soon as they’re in government. Without the judiciary standing firm, only God knows where we would have been as a nation.

    “We’ve seen arbitrariness of the highest order; we’ve seen total disdain for other’s rights. But we cannot have the sort of judiciary we desire unless we make it a collective assignment,” he said.

    Addressing the CJN, Dr Babalakin added: “I congratulate you for standing firm in the face of serious aggression against the concept of an independent judiciary. You have taken a position that is commendable to all those who appreciate that we can only have the rule of law if it’s situated within an independent, courageous and well funded judiciary.

    “You have not allowed the convenience of the moment prevent you from pursuing your ideals. I have no doubt that by the time your tenure comes to an end, the Nigerian judiciary would have the platform for growth.”

    Dr Babalakin praised the law faculty for organizing the event, saying: “The faculty of law has set a pace and must be the envy of every other faculty in this university.”

    He said the faculty was living up to the ideals of its pioneer dean, the late Prof Taslim Elias.

    The faculty dean, Prof Ayo Atsenuwa, said the CJN was chosen in a bid to give the judiciary a voice.

    She said: “When we conceptualised the 2018 lecture, we wondered who could give us a momentous lecture in the sense that we wanted a lecture that would speak to the issues of the day. We thought: Why not give an opportunity to the judiciary to have their voices heard?

    “By tradition and the exigency of their job, they don’t speak publicly because they don’t want to pre-judge cases. But we also must hear from the judiciary. We thought: who better than the CJN? And we thought that other arms need to hear from the Judiciary.”

  • Justice Onnoghen’s  belaboured nomination

    Justice Onnoghen’s belaboured nomination

    THE federal government continues to give the impression that the four months delay in forwarding the name of Justice Walter Onnoghen to the Senate for confirmation as the next chief justice is a reflection of its thoroughness and assiduousness. But there was nothing in the presidency’s method last week to indicate its actions were motivated by care or by duty. A month before the former chief justice, Mahmud Mohammed, vacated office, the relevant statutory bodies involved in recommending the next chief justice, to wit, the Federal Judicial Service Commission (FJSC) and the National Judicial Council (NJC), had carried out their constitutional responsibilities by forwarding Justice Onnoghen’s name to the president. It was not until a day or two before the former chief justice was to vacate office that a face-saving measure was suggested to the presidency. Despite precedence — and the devil is in the detail — a chief justice in acting capacity came unexpectedly to the fore.

    Carefulness and thoroughness? If those were the concerns of the presidency, surely one month was more than enough to do an internal vetting of Justice Onnoghen. It was clear, whether the presidency liked it or not, that other matters preoccupied the minds of those who had the responsibility of taking a decision on who the next chief justice should be. That initial one-month delay in forwarding Justice Onnoghen’s name, not to talk of the subsequent three-month hiatus, enabled speculators and other amateur mind readers to indulge themselves to the fullest. First, the Department of State Service (DSS) had to battle to dispel the furious speculation that it raided the residence of Justice Onnoghen as part of a wider conspiracy to tar the judge with misdeeds and deny a southerner that exalted juridic office. The jurist’s house was not raided nor was he under probe of any kind, the DSS struggled to assert, mindful of the flanking battle it was also waging against the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC).

    But contrary to the presidency’s self-serving reading of its own body language, other speculators and rumourmongers believed that the presidency was actually concerned about the rumoured allegations of misdeeds against Justice Onnoghen, especially the fact that his name allegedly featured in the 1994 Justice Kayode Esho panel report that probed judicial malfeasances. This newspaper, in its February 6 edition, put it succinctly, quoting reliable government sources. It reported that that the presidency ordered the following investigations to be done on Justice Onnoghen: Justice Onnoghen’s antecedent as a lawyer; What the 1994 Justice Kayode Eso (JSC) panel said on Onnoghen; How NJC Review Committee of 1999 on the Eso Panel’s report, headed by Justice Bola Babalakin (JSC), addressed issues concerning Justice Onnoghen; Outcome of recent investigation of bribery allegations against some Supreme Court Justices by the DSS; Recommendations of the Federal Judicial Service Commission (FJSC) and the National Judicial Council (NJC) on Onnoghen.

    To round up the report explaining why Justice Onnoghen’s nomination was delayed, The Nation quoted government sources as saying, “As a matter of fact, the nomination was delayed as a result of the need to address these allegations. Now, Justice Onnoghen has been given a clean bill of health…Every allegation was investigated and proofs indicate that Onnoghen has no case to answer. The government went to this extent to ensure that the holder of the office of CJN is above board.” Perhaps the delay in the presidency making up its mind was also due to the fact that it took many discomfiting years since 1994 before the Olusegun Obasanjo presidency in 2002 (some say 1999), mandated a review of the Justice Esho Panel report. By that time, said some sources, none of the 100 copies of the report was found, and Justice Esho’s personal copy, which the review panel relied on for its work, did not have the appendix that contained details of the allegations against the accused judges.

    It is pointless opening up old wounds, whether the conclusions released to the public represent the true feelings of the government or not, or whether in forwarding Justice Onnoghen’s name the presidency was not simply deciding to cut what was becoming increasingly a Gordian knot. What is important is that it took all of four months for the Buhari presidency to convince itself to forward the justice’s name to the Senate. This slow method of governance is of course not uncharacteristic of this presidency. It took the same government about six months to emplace a cabinet on the excuse that a cabinet was after all excess to requirement. Indeed, it had to take the NJC needlessly pushing the constitution to its limit to again recommend Justice Onnoghen as the chief justice in acting capacity to avert another constitutional embarrassment. There is no doubt that the government could have handled the matter much better and differently.

    It is, however, impossible for the Buhari presidency to convince the public that the delay was both necessary and cautionary. Or that, eventually, Justice Onnoghen was their happy choice. Had the Supreme Court been composed in such a way that would not open the government to allegations of ethnic bias, it is not certain that Justice Onnoghen’s nomination, which put the presidency at sixes and sevens, would not have been discarded. Or failing that favourable Supreme Court composition, had the presidency not made many skewed federal appointments that elicited a terrible public outcry, it would probably have nominated someone else as chief justice. In a way, unable to get the leeway it wants, the government seems to have been hoisted with its own petard. And in order to continue to make its underperforming administration a little tolerable to an angry and frustrated public, the Buhari administration will for some time to come compel itself to make more galling concessions than its customary rigidity would normally allow.

    Whatever arguments the government has offered to expiate the untidy manner it nominated Justice Onnoghen do not atone for the administrative disaster that was evident right from the beginning of the affair to the very inelegant and hurried end. But at least an end, no matter how badly midwifed it was, has finally come. Whether they can now put the matter behind them and henceforth operate more thoughtfully and circumspectly remains to be seen. The Buhari presidency does not yet run like the head of an executive arm presiding over a federal system of government, nor as one imbued with the patriotic and nationalistic instinct and gumption that conduce to a secular and multiethnic society. And its security organisations, including the heavily underfunded police, have often acted with the passion and culture of a dictatorship eternally at war with its own citizens. The Buhari presidency is the most recognisable public face of the ruling All Progressives Congress. At its current dismal steam and amperage, and at its present unthinking worst, it is inconceivable that anyone will give it any electoral hearing in a little over two years to come.

    But two years is a long time in politics. Fortunately for the Buhari presidency, it has no ideological conviction to recant, no lofty administrative height to fall from, and no philosophical principles and great public precepts whose disavowal would make it fear self-immolation. It can, therefore, on paper, still change, since there are no complications to deter or fluster it. But that is if it does not keep up the adamantine delusion that change begins with others.

  • CJN’s appointment: SAN commends Buhari’s cautious approach

    CJN’s appointment: SAN commends Buhari’s cautious approach

    …Says delay in Onnoghen’s confirmation could result in chaos

     

    A Senior Advocate of Nigeria (SAN), Sebastine Hon has commended President Muhammadu Buhari’s cautious approach to the appointment of a substantive Chief Justice of Nigeria (CJN).

    Hon commended the position taken on the issue by the acting CJN, Justice Walter Onnoghen and the Chairman, Presidential Advisory Committee Against Corruption (PLACAC), Prof Itse Sagay (SAN).

    Justice Onnoghen had, in a statement on Thursday, appealed to those criticising President Buhari over his perceived delay in appointing him (Onnoghne) in substantive capacity to allow the President the free hand to operate.

    Sagay has also aired similar view in his recent comments on the issue of the appointment of a substantive CJN.

    In a statement Friday, Hon assured President Buhari that Onnoghen’s appointment in substantive capacity was the best way the President could secure the buy-in of the Judiciary and ensure the success of his various reform initiatives and anti-corruption fight.

    Part of the statement reads: “I am personally delighted and I also commend the Acting Chief Justice of Nigeria, Justice Walter Onnoghen, for his timely reaction to the delay in the President forwarding his name to the Senate for confirmation as the substantive Chief Justice of Nigeria.

    “Honourable Justice Onnoghen has, from that reaction, proved he is worthy of occupying that high seat. By shrugging off the apparent pressure on him to utter those words, Justice Onnoghen has shown that he is a nationalistic personality and is also ready and willing to shoulder the responsibility of assuming the headship of the nation’s third arm of government.

    “I hereby encourage, if not plead, with Mr. President to forward Justice Onnoghen’s name to the Senate for confirmation. Whatever reforms the President intends for the Judiciary will not be hindered but will be enhanced if our dear President does this.

    “The reason is plain enough: it is when and only when the Judiciary willingly keys into those reforms that the said reforms will see the light of the day. I am dead serious on this!
    Finally, I also commend the reaction of respected Presidential aide, Prof. Itse Sagay, SAN to the issue.

    “The learned Professor’s views reflect a most genuine inner mind of a critical stakeholder to clean the Augean Stable of the Judiciary. Prof. Sagay has a very rich resume as a no-nonesense anti-corruption crusader; hence his views on such issues should never be treated lightly.

    “However, I also, with humility, ask that he should again look at the watertight procedure spelt out in the Constitution for the appointment and removal from office of judicial officers. Such appointment and removal must involve the National Judicial Council (NJC); and it is only the cooperation rather than the coercion of the NJC that will achieve the desired result.

    “Mr. President’s anti-graft war is on course, but he needs the two other arms of government, especially the Judiciary, to achieve this. Also, far-reaching reforms like the anti-corruption war are best achieved over time and not necessarily instantaneously.

    “Mr. President should please send Justice Onnoghen’s name for confirmation as the CJN, to save an avoidable constitutional crisis in the Judiciary,” Hon said.