Senator Abubakar Atiku Bagudu, Minister of Budget and Economic Planning has also raised his voice above the din in the ongoing debates about the propriety or otherwise of the tax reform bill of President Bola Ahmed Tinubu. In this interview with some selected journalists, the erstwhile lawmaker and Kebbi State governor shares interesting insights on the merits of the tax reform even as he espouses its benefits to the socioeconomic development of the country. Nduka Chiejina was there. Excerpts:
The lingering debates about the tax reform have raised concerns in some quarters that it is targeted at the north. What is your own take on this matter?
Well, let me just start by saying we have a President, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu, who is a very committed Nigerian. He believes in Nigeria. He’s committed to Nigeria. And for him, all parts of Nigeria are equal, and there is no legislation under him, or action that is designed against anyone part of the country. I happen to be the Minister of Budget and Economic Planning. I’m a member of the Presidential Economic Advisory team. I participate in almost all meetings where decisions are taken as to resource allocation, and I see equity. I supervise the budget process. I have seen how allocations are determined and how support is given to each part of Nigeria so that we can do better. We have to recognise that some legislations, by nature, are difficult, even in advanced countries, tax legislation is a very big issue in economic development. It determines elections even in the US. Today, the British economy had a challenge, basically a mini budget that cannot be supported by the tax. Today, the British Prime Minister is facing a challenge because of taxation and debates about taxation. If you recall, historically, even in the 80s, Ronald Reagan, supply side economies, they are all tax issues. Today, Trump is talking about tariffs; in a way that those are all about taxation. So, we are no different but what is happening in Nigeria is that there are laws that have been there for long. Today, if one looks at one of the tax bills, particularly the one that is, I think, generating the most controversy, is about 247 pages long, a lot of it with definitions, technical jargons that you need guidance in order to understand. Secondly, that legislation repealed about 12 laws that have been in existence. So if you are a small scale businessman or businesswoman or a bank, you need a compliance unit that understands those 12 laws in order not to run afoul of one. Equally, that legislation is amending other 19 laws, as well as revoking laws. So, again, why this controversy? If a legislation is submitted to National Assembly, every part of Nigeria is represented, it could be that I’m from a fishing community, and if somebody say, I want to come, under the river there is diamond mine, and I have been given licence, I have the right to ask, okay, what will happen to my fishing community? I have the right to ask, and that’s why I’m there, and then debate it and say, okay, even if we are doing it for the greater good, how can we accommodate my fishing communities? It’s not a monologue. And even when the Senate said six weeks for a public hearing, we can debate about time. We can debate about arguments. But what is wrong is for us, given the great effort that we are doing to put our economy in the right direction, to be swayed by arguments of tribalism, of religion, of sentimental arguments, the President and indeed his government, is determined that Nigeria will take its pride of place in the comity of nations. We are doing infrastructure work that shows the kind of commitment he has to Nigerians. He is supporting different states in their various quests to develop. He has requested all state governors to give him what can be done more in their states, so that more economic activities can be generated. Some of the reform initiatives, energy transition, for example, are for all parts of Nigeria. Security, additional investment in security is for everyone in Nigeria. I’m just coming out of the Bankers’ Committee meeting. Part of it, they were complaining that they did not like the windfall tax. That’s Nigeria for you. Maybe some Nigerians will say, ah, it’s good that the bankers have been taxed. But we have a president who believes in Nigeria, who is a committed democrat, so he understands that people have the right to debate. But what is annoying is when people, in order to make a point, maybe they take resort to sentiments that can weaken our federation.
There are talks that this reform will lead to unemployment, especially in the north. What do you have to say about this?
That is why I told you that the intended benefits of this tax legislation, for example, is to simplify tax compliance for small companies. We have been investing in MSMEs. We have been investing in nano credits. We want them to be the engines of growth. How can they be the engines of growth if you have a wild list of legislations that they don’t even know how to comply with? I met with a European Ambassador recently, so an ambassador from one of the European countries, and he told me that, because of some of our challenges, multiple regulatory challenges. Says he knows of a company in his country, that when they invoice to Cameroon or Ghana, they invoice at least 40% cheaper than when they invoice to Nigeria. So one has to be holistic. We are under pressure that Nigeria maintains a higher level of growth. We want to generate growth. We will not do anything that will sabotage employment generation. Any measure we take is intended to generate major economic activity and growth. That is what we can be, even as politicians, to talk from a self-serving interest, that is what I can get a clap for not the other way around. And indeed, Mr. President is leading that drive.
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Would you want you to speak to those dissenting voices that say the reform is anti-people? What do you have to tell them?
We should not get angry at each other, we should complement each other. Like I said, most of you can do the research on your phones. Tax reforms, of course, tax is historical. In 1983 my undergraduate thesis was on tax structure and economic development. How do you develop? How do you design a tax structure that will encourage economic activity? It is still a big debate. It has not been settled, if you check some of the tax reforms in the US, some of them took several years to finish. We are in a hurry to achieve the development we want in Nigeria. So please let us know that I as a Minister of Budget and Economic Planning, I’m one of the most prominent members of the team Asiwaju, if we can call it that, President Tinubu, I am very, very confident that all the measures that have been taken are pleasant and not otherwise, because sometimes when you are confronting your reality, you take measures that may seem tough, but they are taken by a leader who believes in Nigeria, who loves Nigeria, who wants to see a united Nigeria growing and fulfilling the dreams of all Nigerians.
You are simply saying that those people should not worry, they should allow the process to go through?
They should participate. Democracy is, how did they get the opportunity to discuss it? It was not a decree that was signed. You discuss, you talk to your representatives, you lobby, you explain, you ask, you interrogate. I have seen many people who have changed their views because of the knowledge they saw. Because when did we start VAT legislation? We started before, it is not a new tax. Yes. So if there is a proposal to review the rate that is debatable and make your inputs, see how it affects you. First and foremost, try to understand it. Don’t just judge, try to understand and like I said, compare it with other countries. In the UK, they have VAT legislation. A significant proportion of the accounting industry is based on VAT reconciliation, because VAT is a top one. A court in Port Harcourt even went as far as saying the Federal Government should not collect VAT but President Bola Tinubu as the leader of the country, say, look, let’s tidy it up. That’s what we want. It’s not a monologue. And we are dealing with a President, God bless him, who is very democratic. He listens to others. He expects people to make contributions. So, whatever legislation it is, let people make reasonable, respectable, proper nationalistic contributions so that we get a better outcome.









