Author: The Nation

President Bola Ahmed Tinubu yesterday gave marching orders to the National Economic Council (NEC) to immediately work out palliatives to mitigate the effects of petrol subsidy removal.

He met for the first time with the Nigeria Governors’ Forum (NGF) members.

The governors, who President Tinubu mandated to end poverty in their states, restated their backing for subsidy removal. 

Ogun State Governor Dapo Abiodun told reporters that the President hinted at the instruction to NEC during the meeting with the governors.

A statement by the Director of Information at the State House, Abiodun Oladunjoye, quoted the President as saying: “We can see the effects of poverty on the faces of our people. 

“Poverty is not hereditary, it is from the society. Our position is to eliminate poverty. 

“Set aside partisan politics. We are here to deliberate about Nigeria and nation-building. We are a family occupying one house, and sleeping in different rooms. 

“If we see it that way and push forward, we will get our people out of poverty. A determined mind is a fertile ground for delivering results.”

The President said good governance would safeguard the future of democracy.

“Present in this room is our diversity in culture and politics, but we are one nation. The unity and stability of the country rest upon us.

“We are in a democracy and we have to nurture the democracy. It is a hard-earned system and not easy to manage. 

“If anyone thinks it is easy, look at other nations who are over a hundred years in democracy.

“We have managed ourselves very well to have a democracy. We have campaigned and arrived at our present destination. We must work for our people,” President Tinubu told the governors while assuring them that he would maintain an open-door policy.

The President said he was prepared to share ideas, strengthen institutions, and create bottom-up frameworks that will improve the livelihood of Nigerians.

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“What do we do in the face of crushing poverty? What do we do with our development goals? We took the bull by the horns by removing the elephant in the room before the nation sinks. 

“We need synergy to fight other vices like corruption. We are trying to get smugglers out of the way. 

“How do we work together to galvanise the economy, and put resources in place? We must think and perform.

“After removing subsidy, there must be savings accruing to the Federation Account,” he said.

President Tinubu said the education sector must be improved as part of efforts to reduce poverty and penury.

He added: “How do we address the unacceptable level of poverty? How much are we investing in education, which is the only tool against poverty? I am ready to collaborate with you.”

The governors, led by its chairman, AbdulRahman AbdulRazaq of Kwara State, expressed happiness with the President’s subsidy-removal decision, all-inclusive leadership and statesmanship.

“The NGF will follow the tradition of working constitutionally and harmoniously with you,’’ he said.

At the meeting were governors Dauda Lawal (Zamfara), Abba Yusuf (Kano), Agbu Kefas (Taraba), Yahaya Bello (Kogi), Dapo Abiodun (Ogun), Abdullahi Sule (Nasarawa), Douye Diri (Bayelsa), Ahmadu Fintiri (Adamawa), Francis Nwifuru (Ebonyi) and Babajide Sanwo-Olu (Lagos).

Others are Siminalayi Fubara (Rivers), Ademola Adeleke (Osun), Umar Namadi (Jigawa), Rev. Ft. Hyacinth Alia (Benue), Sheriff Oborevwori (Delta), Peter Mbah (Enugu), Seyi Makinde (Oyo), Caleb Mutfwang (Plateau), Nasiru Idris (Kebbi), Alex Otti (Abia), Hope Uzodinma (Imo), and Bala Mohammed (Bauchi).

The deputy governors of Edo, Philip Shaibu and of Niger, Yakubu Garba, represented their states.

Abiodun yesterday led members of the Depot and Petroleum Products Marketers Association of Nigeria (DAPPMAN) and Major Oil Marketers Association of Nigeria (MOMAN) to the President.

The Ogun governor said President Tinubu asked for a coordinated approach between the government, through the NEC and the economic team, and petroleum marketers, to structure out a wholesome intervention.

For the long term, he said Nigeria should consider an energy transition to compressed natural gas (CNG).

Abiodun said: “Mr President has announced today that NEC should immediately begin to sit, led by Vice President Kashim Shettima.

“He directed that the committee of NEC, alongside the economic team and the marketers should sit down and come up with a wholesome approach that will be beneficial to the common man and the generality of Nigerians.

“Whatever it is, be it minimum wage increase, be it transport allowance, be it the provision of any form of intervention, are only stopgaps.

“What we need to begin to look at is energy transition for the whole country. 

“We need to begin to look at what obtains in other countries like Egypt, where they have converted all their mass transit to run on CNG. 

“In some other countries, their vehicles are running on either CNG or running on electricity.

“That will be sustainable and will allow us to transport people, goods and services at reasonable prices. 

“That is the kind of thing that we are looking at, the kind of discussions that we’re having with Mr President and the kind of approach that this administration is looking at in terms of sustainability.”

Abiodun also met with Labour leaders in Ogun.

He said his administration was looking into ways of cushioning the post-subsidy removal hardship.

The governor said: “We are not, as a responsible administration unmindful of the consequences that the regulation would cause in terms of its effect on the disposable income of the workers.

“We have noted that the price of Petrol is now N500 from slightly above N200. 

“There is a relationship between the cost of PMS and transportation and cost of transportation and cost of goods and services.

“Since the announcement, as the governor and a player in the industry, I have been concerned about the multiplier effects as it would affect workers going to and from work and how it would affect their responsibilities and wellbeing.”

DAPPMAN hails ‘bold step’ 

DAPPMAN hailed President Tinubu for taking the bold step to end the subsidy.

It promised to donate Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) compliant buses, worth N10 billion, to boost Nigeria’s mass transportation network.

The Chairperson of the association, Mrs Winifred Akpani, spoke while briefing reporters after the meeting with President Tinubu.

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She said: “We have prayed for this day to come and we’re happy that the day is finally here.

“We did pledge that we are going to work at providing real mass transit buses that work; the ones that will work on CNG and diesel interchangeably and hopefully we are going to start with about 50-100 and that is in a very short time.

“These are locally produced vehicles, so we are also providing jobs because we are using local assembly plants; we are not importing the buses and that is less pressure on our foreign exchange and more jobs for Nigerians.”

The Independent Petroleum Manufacturers Association of Nigeria (IPMAN) endorsed the use of CNG as an alternative energy source to cushion the effect of subsidy removal.

IPMAN National President, Chinedu Okorokwo, said CNG is cheaper.

“An alternative that is cheaper than even firewood, which is CNG, will not only create relief for the government and its citizens but it is environmentally friendly.

“The CNG is abundantly available in Nigeria than anywhere in Africa,” he said.

The All Progressives Congress (APC) Professional Forum said President Tinubu did no wrong in implementing the policy.

It appealed to Nigerians and Labour leaders to give the President the benefit of the doubt as he works to fulfil his campaign promises.

At a briefing in Abuja, its Board of Trustees (BOT) Chairman, former Minister of Aviation Mallam Isa Yuguda, said: “It was uncharitable to blame the President for the attendant hardship.

“We commend the two Labour centres for heeding the voice of reason by first returning to the negotiation table after an initial reluctance, and later by agreeing to suspend the planned nationwide strike that was not necessary in the first place…

“Our message to Organised Labour is for them to trust the man Bola Ahmed Tinubu and to trust the process.

“President Tinubu is a promise keeper. He will keep his vow to review workers’ salaries which he first hinted at even before his team went into talks with Labour over fuel subsidy removal.

“We have an administration in place led by a pro-people President that will keep to the terms of his Renewed Hope agenda so NLC and TUC as well as the good people of Nigeria have no reason to doubt that the agreements will be kept.”

Chairman, Imo State College of Education Governing Council, Ihitte Uboma, Eze Oliver Ohanweh, said subsidy removal was a good move.

According to him, successive administrations used the oil subsidy, mounting debt profile and servicing of over $10 billion in debt as excuses for abandoning projects that would have impacted positively on the well-being of the masses. 

“Now that they have removed the subsidy, let things change for good. 

“So, the best thing that has happened to us is the removal of the petrol subsidy. 

“I think President Tinubu should be commended for that,” he said.

Labour: No agreement yet with Fed Govt 

Also yesterday, Labour said it has not reached an agreement with the Federal Government on its demands following the end of petrol subsidy.

It said all its demands have been harmonised and presented to the government for deliberation.

Trade Union Congress (TUC) President Festus Osifo said this when he appeared on Sunrise Daily on Channels.

He was joined on the show by Nigeria Labour Congress (NLC) president Joe Ajaero.

Osifo said the items would be addressed at the June 19 meeting between the labour and government team.

The TUC President said: “We have not reached any agreement with the government. 

“We have presented our demands to them and we expect that by our next meeting, we will harmonise.

“The government will tell us what they can do and we will also bring our own data to the table during the meeting.”

Ajaero called for an investigation of the subsidy regime.

He said: “Let this government not wave aside the payment of subsidies. It must be investigated. 

“Can we find out what has happened and those that have received this money?”

• Lawan rates ninth N/Assembly best
• Valedictory session to hold Sat

No fewer than 75 senators-elect are backing Senator Godswill Akpabio for Senate President ahead of next week’s inauguration of the 10th National Assembly, Senator Ali Ndume said last night.

Ndume, who was re-elected from Borno South, said Akpabio, who enjoys the endorsement of President Bola Tinubu and the ruling All Progressives Congress (APC) will succeed Senate President Ahmad Lawan.

Ahead of the election of the National Assembly presiding officers on June 13, aspirants for Senate President are intensifying their consultations and mobilization.

The valedictory session in the Senate has been shifted to Saturday.

Ndume, the Director-General of Akpabio-Barau Campaign (ABC), who spoke on a Channels Television programme chided the leadership of the ninth Senate for being rubber stamp lawmakers.

Akpabio may even turn out as the consensus candidate because as talks are ongoing to convince other senators, who are still showing strong interest to contest against him.

Explaining why Akpabio was endorsed by the APC, Ndume said: “It is about justice; it is about equity; it is about the constitution. It is about doing what is right and standing for what is just for this country.

“This country belongs to all of us.  We all know what has played out in this country that led to the emergence of the president being a Muslim, the vice president being a Muslim. There is a need to balance the equation.

“Section 14 of the constitution is clear on this.  That section says that the country should be run in such a way that no tribe, religion, section of the country will feel marginalised. So, the natural thing to do is to get somebody from the South and particularly from the South-South. And that person happens to be Akpabio. 

“This is because he is the most ranking Senator from that area. 

“He has the experience and he is from the South-South.  That is why I am supporting him.

“Many Nigerians and the Senators-elect, I mean my colleagues, are on our side and by God’s grace, Senator Godswill Akpabio on June 13, will emerge as the Senate President of the 10th National Assembly.”

Ndume, who acknowledged that some APC senators were opposing Akpabio’s ambition, said the party was still talking with them and the tension was dwindling by the day.

He maintained that Akpabio is the candidate to beat.

Ndume said: “When we started, we hit the ground running and in one week, we were able to get endorsement from 60 senators.

“As I am speaking to you, I have 75 senators that have signed the candidature of Senator Akpabio as the next Senate President. Those few former governors of the party who are now senators-elect opposing the candidature of Akpabio does not in any way encroach on the fact that Akpabio already has 75 senators-elect on our side. All advantages are on our side. One, we have the support of the party. Two, we have the support of the president, and three, we have the support of most of the senators, which is most important in this case.

“This campaign is not about Akpabio, it is about a fair Nigeria where equity and justice reign.”

On whether Tinubu can change his mind on Akpabio, Ndume said: “If Tinubu gives you his word, go and put it in your bag. He will not change it.

“In 2019 when I wanted to contest for the office of the Senate President, I went to Tinubu.

“He told me that he had already committed himself to Ahmad Lawan.  And he didn’t change that. Tinubu is a man of his word and if you have been following his kind of politics, you’ll know that once he makes his intentions known, he does not change it.”

On the consensus option, Ndume said: “We are looking at a situation where we will have a consensus that will eventually favour Akpabio.

Ndume said Tinubu does not need a rubber stamped – National Assembly.

He said: “He is an experienced legislator, who needs a very vibrant and agile National Assembly this time around.

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“This was lacking in the ninth Assembly where the executive will bring a request and they will just endorse without intense interrogation.”

Senate holds valedictory session Saturday

The outgoing Ninth Senate shifted its valedictory session earlier fixed for today (Thursday) till Saturday.

Senate President Ahmad Lawan told reporters in Abuja the shift became necessary to allow senators-elect meet with President Tinubu.

Tinubu meets APC leadership, National Assembly members-elect  

Also yesterday, President Tinubu held an enlarged meeting with the Senators and House of Representatives members-elect.

They were led to the Presidential Villa, Abuja, by the party’s National Working Committee (NWC).

The meeting, which held at the State House Conference Center, was called ahead the inauguration of the 10th National Assembly.

Although the meeting was held behind closed doors, as the media was not permitted coverage, it was learnt that the lawmakers-elect were told to work together to ensure victory for the party’s choices in the National Assembly’s leadership race.

A source who spoke under conditions of anonymity said President Tinubu admonished the lawmakers to rise above self-interest, saying the APC has a golden opportunity to work through the government to better the lots of Nigerians.

He said the President told members going into the Senate and House of Representatives to harmonise and do so in the interest of the party and Nigerians.

“The President said there’s no need for squabbles, that if members of the same party find it difficult to agree, what impression would they be giving those in the opposition,” he said.

Lawan said the 9th Senate would find consolation in its numerous achievements.

He said: “Our partnership and collaboration with the executive helped us to achieve so much. We broke so many jinxes, we reverted the nation’s budget cycle to January to December.

“This is a kind of thing that makes us happy because we have been able to make a change.”

The Senate President noted that every achievement has a price, saying: “If you achieve what you are required to achieved, you will be given a name. If on the other hand you failed to achieve you will also be given a name.”

He added that President Muhammadu Buhari assented to over 112 bills passed by the Ninth National Assembly, thus making the outgoing parliament one of the best in terms of performance in the 4th Republic and current political dispensation.

He listed the major bills passed and assented to by Buhari to include the Bank and Other Financial Institutions Act, Security and Exchange Commission Act, Electoral Act.

Lawan said some of the Acts have reformed the economy, industry, social environment and the electoral system.

The Senate President said the claim that the National Assembly is gulping substantial national resources is false.

He said because the nation’s legislature is still developing, the country must pay a price to develop its institutional capacity.

He said: “Out of the N19trillion 2023 budget, National Assembly with about eight institutions tied to it got N128billion representing 0.8 per cent of the budget.

“I believe we have to work to support our parliament to grow. Members of National Assembly are as patriotic as any Nigerian out there.”

President Bola Ahmed Tinubu yesterday asked state governors to work with him to unite the country and reshape the economy. 

He told them that politics is gone, it is time for real business. 

He laid the cards on the table and got the endorsement of the Nigeria Governors Forum (NGF) to remove the petrol subsidy. 

But the governors also pushed for palliatives to cushion the effects of subsidy removal. 

The President spoke during his maiden meeting with governors, the main bloc in the National Economic Council (NEC) which is chaired by the vice president.

After yesterday’s meeting, there was no statement from the Presidency. The governors also did not speak with reporters.

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However, a top source at the meeting the “larger interest of Nigeria dominated discussions.” 

The source said: “The President unfolded his pan-Nigeria agenda. He declared that politics is over, it is time to dream, think and work for Nigeria. 

“He said he will work with the governors irrespective of party affiliations and partisanship. He pleaded for our understanding and cooperation. All he sought for was a united and a prosperous Nigeria. 

“He disarmed most of the governors with his usual anecdotes and deep thoughts on the state of the country. He succeeded in carrying everyone along. He earned the trust of the governors with his rapprochement.”

On the removal of fuel subsidy, another highly-placed source added:” The governors endorsed the decision of the President. 

“We all knew the fuel subsidy removal was a fait accompli. 

“ But we demanded for palliatives to alleviate the burdens associated with the subsidy removal. 

“The President assured the governors that he will work with the NEC to address challenges facing Nigerians.”

•President inaugurates 21st SGF

SECRETARY to the Government (SGF) of the Federation (SGF) George Akume had his jobs cut out for him in the document given to him by his predecessor, Mr. Boss Mustapha.

The document contained some pending issues to be followed up.

The immediate-past Special Duties and Intergovernmental Affairs Minister took the saddle yesterday as the 21st SGF. He was inaugurated by President Bola Ahmed Tinubu, who administered the oaths of allegiance and office, at the Presidential Villa, Abuja.

The brief event was witnessed by dignitaries, including some serving and former governors, took place at 11.06am inside the Council Chambers, State House.

Mustapha briefed Akume during a brief handover ceremony held at the Office of the Secretary to the Government of the Federation (OSGF) Complex in Abuja.

He said: “There are a few pending issues for your kind attention and follow-up, which include the following: Report of the Inter-Ministerial Committee to Consider pending Bilateral Agreements between the Federal Republic of Nigeria and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; Report of Presidential Committee on the Review of Number and Strategy for Resourcing Nigeria’s Diplomatic Missions World-Wide.

“Approval of the Recommendations of the Reviewed White paper on the Presidential Committee on the Restructuring and Rationalization of Federal Government Parastatals, Agencies and Commissions (Goni Aji Report); and Amal Pepple Report on the new Agencies created after the Oronsaye Report, which White Paper was produced by the Ebele Okeke Committee.

“Others are report on the Presidential Implementation Committee of the White Paper on the Commission of Inquiry into the Alienation of Federal Government Landed Property; Report of the Presidential Steering Committee (formerly Presidential Task Force on COVID-19); Implementation Committee on Special Detainees Linked to Boko Haram Insurgency and the Report of the Judicial Commission of Inquiry for the Investigation of Mr. Ibrahim Magu, the Acting Chairman of the EFCC.

“Committee on Imminent takeover of Federal Government Land and landed properties by some State Governments; Draft White Paper on the Judiciary Commission of Inquiry for the Investigation of Mr. Ibrahim Magu; Report of the Presidential Transition Council, due for submission by June 30, 2023 and the Transition Documents herewith submitted.”

Responding, Akume promised to ensure policies of the government are in the interest of the citizens.

“I am aware that this position is very sensitive. I promise to operate an open-door policy. I will not hesitate to contact my predecessor when the need arises. We will continue to do our best to ensure that government policies are in the interest of the people,” he said.

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After his inauguration, the SGF noted that his wealth of experience will be brought to bear as he begins his work, adding that he will follow the footsteps of President Bola Tinubu.

He said: “I am someone who has been on the scene for quite some time and I know the man we are serving, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu as President and we just have to follow his footsteps. He has never been in the gallery, where is always full of critics. He has always been in the arena, where the doers are. He is a doer, so we have to tag along. We must never afford to fail.”

Benue Governor Rev. Fr. Hyacinth Alia expressed delight that out of the 36 states, his state was chosen to produce the Secretary to Government.

Alia said: “I’m full of enormous joy. It is a factor of exaltation. Out of the many States, Benue is chosen and its one of our sons whom we are all proud of. We know his requisites; we know what he has offered in the past decades for the state and for the nation.

“We are very confident that he is again going to deliver and the nation is going to be proud that our choicest man for Benue is selected and sworn-in for this great job.”

Expressing the belief that the SGF will do well in his new position, his wife, Regina Akume said: “I appreciate God for all He has done to us. Words cannot express how I feel. I am so thankful to the President. My husband is a very hardworking man, very humble, kind and compassionate and I know this time too he will do his best for Nigeria.”

Those who witnessed Akume’s inauguration included: Senate President Ahmed Lawan; Kwara State Governor AbdulRahman AbdulRazaq and the Head of the Civil Service of the Federation, Dr FolasadeYemi-Esan; All Progressives Congress (APC) Chairman Senator Abdullahi Adamu; APC National Secretary, Senator Iyiola Omisore; and the National Security Adviser (NSA), Maj.-Gen. Babagana Monguno.

Also at the event were former governors Atiku Bagudu (Kebbi), Badaru Abubakar (Jigawa), Simon Lalong (Plateau), Dave Umahi (Ebonyi), Dr Kayode Fayemi (Ekiti), and Tanko Al-Makura (Nasarawa).

Former Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Michael Aondoakaa, former Lagos State Commissioner for Information and Strategy, Dele Alake and one-time Finance Commissioner in Lagos, Mr. Wale Edun.

For the second day running, hearing was yesterday stalled midway in the petition filed by the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and its candidate in the February 25 presidential poll, Atiku Abubakar.

The respondents to the PDP/Atiku petition – the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), the All Progressives Congress (APC) and President Bola Ahmed Tinubu, who was the ruling party’s standard bearer in the election, objected to the petitioners’ move to call witnesses whose statements were served late.

Proceedings in the petition resumed smoothly on yesterday before the Presidential Election Petition Court (PEPC) before it was brought to an abrupt end over an hour later, owing to the respondents’ objection.

Earlier in the day’s proceedings, petitioners’ lawyer, Chris Uche, (SAN), tendered bundles of copies of Forms EC8B from 10 Local Government Areas in Kogi States, which were admitted by the court after the respondents registered their objection and promised to provide reasons later.

Uche told the court that his clients were still expecting the INEC to release more documents to them.

He said their constraint was that they got information the previous day that some of the documents were ready and outside Abuja, and wondered why they were required to go outside Abuja to access the documents after paying N6.69million to the electoral agency.

Uche then proceeded to call a witness, Ndubuisi Nwobu, who described himself as the Chairman of the PDP in Anambra State.

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Nwobi, who said he acted as the PDP state Collation Agent in Anambra during the election, claimed that the process was manipulated at the Ward Collation Centres.

The witness, who was the petitioners’ 11th so far, said although Peter Obi ‘s Labour Party (LP) won the state, he believed the process was not free and fair all over the state.

When asked if he was present at all the 4720 polling units in the state during the election to have witnessed when the process was allegedly manipulated, Nwobi said he only visited about 30 polling units.

He said he got information about the alleged manipulation from his party’s agents at all the polling units where he could not visit.

Nwobi, who said the election held peacefully and in accordance with the law at the polling unit level, said his main grouse was that the when process was that INEC officials did not “upload election results to the INEC Results Viewing Portal (IReV) on time as promised by its Chairman before the election.

He claimed that the manipulation of the process took place dying collation, stating that he even had to intervene in some occasions to rescue INEC’s collation officers from being attacked by party agents and irate voters.

Lawyers to the respondents – Abubakar Mahmoud (SAN) for INEC, Akin Olujinmi (SAN) for President Tinubu, and Lateef Fagbemi (SAN) for the APC – however kicked when Uche moved to call some subpoenaed witnesses.

They complained that the witnesses’ written statements, filed by the petitioners, were served on them few minutes before the commencement of the court’s proceedings.

The respondents’ lawyers sought time to familiarise themselves with the statements and seek clarifications from their clients, a position that moved the court to postpone further hearing till the next day.

Similar incident occurred on Tuesday when proceedings were brought to an abrupt end owing to some defects identified in the schedule of documents filed by the petitioners.

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Also yesterday, Obi and the LP continued the prosecution of their petition by tendering more result sheets, including Certified True Copies (CTCs) of Forms EC8B (ward collated results), EC8C (Local Government collated results), EC8D (state collated results) and EC8DA (national collated results).

Obi and the LP tendered their documents through a member of their legal team, Paul Ananaba (SAN), who did the tendering from the bar.

Ananaba tendered Forms EC8B for 12 Local Government Areas in Ebonyi State, four Local Government Areas in Kaduna State, four Local Government Areas in Oyo State and one council in Nasarawa State.

The lawyer explained that they were the remnants of what were tendered the previous day.

Ananaba proceeded to tender copies of Forms EC8C from 13 states, including eight Local Government Areas in Bayelsa, 23 Local Government Areas in Benue, 18 Local Government Areas in Cross River, 10 Local Government Areas in Ebonyi, 18 Local Government Areas in Edo, 20 Local Government Areas in Lagos, 25 Local Government Areas in Niger, 18 Local Government Areas in Ondo, 33 Local Government Areas in Oyo, 23 Local Government Areas in Rivers, 23 Local Government Areas in Sokoto, 16 Local Government Areas  in Ekiti and 25 Local Government Areas in Delta.

He equally tendered 51 pages of Forms EC8D for the 36 states and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), and a copy of Form EC8DA.

Despite respondents’ objection to the admissibility of the other documents, their lawyers, however, did not resist the admission of the national result in evidence.

Hearing in the petition resumes today at 2pm.