Senate Minority Leader, Abba Moro spoke on the gale of defections from the Peoples Democratic Party and its implications for the party. Assistant Editor EMMANUEL BADEJO reports
What do you think about the decision of the NWC to go legal in challenging the Delta State defections?
I think that is the right thing to do for the PDP to do now. I do not know that after the PDP’s exit, it is trite that those elected on its platform should be challenged. There is a moral question to answer in this case. It is unfortunate that these people who have grown through the ranks of the party and their political career, and having gotten everything through the party, they decided to leave the party midstream and this calls for some kind of apprehension within the polity. I think it is reprehensible that this thing is happening at this point in time. I know that as a law abiding organisation, the party has the option of pursuing this issue legally not necessarily for the decampees to return to the party, but at least to show that you cannot bite the fingers that fed you. I think the NWC has taken the right decision to make a statement that you cannot just watch the people betray the party and go scot free.
Do you think that the party is in the right shape to pursue that course of action considering a statement by one of the defectors, who said he regretted being on a joint ticket with your presidential candidate in 2023?
I will not like to join issues with Senator Ifeanyi Okowa in the first place. Let me tell you that some people felt so disappointed that he was picked as the party’s vice presidential candidate in the first place. We found out that there were other persons who have contributed much more to the party; persons who were more committed; persons that would have ordinarily helped the party to win the election. It is unfortunate that at his level, having been a senator, a governor under the platform of the PDP, I think it is uncharitable for him to come forth now and say that he regretted being on the joint ticket with Alhaji Atiku Abubarkar. He was not forced, but he asked for it and he was given.
But, was he not a choice of Atiku Abubakar?
Yes, a choice of Atiku under certain conditions. There were insinuations, for instance, he was said to have contributed substantially to the campaign of Atiku, and it was in consideration that he was picked. Besides, there was this clamour within the party at the time of some level of marginalization of the Igbo nation. He was also considered as a bridge to stand in the gap. But, we have seen what eventually happened. At some levels, some people including myself concluded that his choice was a political miscalculation. We should not have picked him in the first place. Having risen to such a level in the party, he could have simply walked away without making the excuse he advanced. He was picked, he was not forced. He had the option of rejecting his nomination. I think the most important thing is now that he has defected with his governors from the PDP to the APC, let the game begin.
If Okowa was not on the ticket, would your party have won the 2023 general election?
I would rather say that given what we know now, with the hindsight that we have now, some of us think that the party would have won the election, if another candidate other than Okowa from the South had been picked.
So, there was an error in judgment of Atiku Abubakar picking Okowa?
I think there was an error of judgment on the part of everybody that was involved in the choice of Okowa as a candidate. Come to think about it: how else can you explain this scenario? That a sitting governor, a former senator, a vice presidential candidate of the party could deliver his state even to the presidential candidate. And to think that of all the senators from that state, the PDP won only one senatorial seat. I can tell you that that person may have won that election on his own merit because of his depth and his contribution to the community. So, I think that picking Okowa as the presidential candidate of the party in 2023 was a very serious error of judgment.
As it stands now, I can confidently conclude that we lost the election for lack of commitment, otherwise, how can you explain that shortly after losing the state, which should have been an easy pick for the PDP, instead of rendering an apology to the party and Nigerians, he decided to ditch the party? That means, in the first place, his soul was not in the party, his soul was not in that election, hence, we performed miserably in Delta State.
If Atiku Abubakar leaves the PDP, will it be more damaging for your party?
Atiku definitely has his own place in history and the formation and organization of the PDP. He has his own place as a very strong member and two-term presidential candidate of the party. Yes, if he leaves, it will create a vacuum in the party. If he leaves, it will create some sore wounds at the party. But, if he leaves, it will be his choice. Nevertheless, I can assure you that for all of us who are here, there are other Nigerians that are out there and the PDP will reorganize itself in the absence of these people and forge ahead. People who are worried about damaging the PDP or leaving the PDP are those who are fixated on 2027. The life of PDP is not tied to 2027. The PDP is an organisation. Don’t forget that at some point, the PDP controlled 28 state governments, 28 houses of assembly and of course the two arms of the National Assembly. If the PDP is facing some dwindling fortunes now that is not to say the party will be dead. I can assure you that out of these failures and betrayers, the PDP is going to reorganise itself, learning from the mistakes and forge ahead.
While Atiku is talking to other people pushing the coalition agenda, the PDP governors won’t have any of that. With the latest defections, do you also think it will not affect your party?
I didn’t say that these defections will not affect the party, it will certainly do. Like I said at the beginning, it is rather unfortunate that people who have lived all their lives in the PDP, suddenly switched camps. One of the advisers of the Delta governor said that these people slept in PDP and woke up in APC. The said adviser subsequently resigned his position because he chose not to go with the defectors to the APC.
The point I am trying to make is that, yes, we are having a gale of defections hitting the PDP, and unfortunately, some prominent members of the party have actually left the party. Yet, in my own right, I am the leader of the party in my constituency, but I do not make either the electorate or the elections. Those who make the elections are the ordinary party, the masses; they are the ones who make the party. And so, if I say today that, yes, Okowa has left; yes, the governor has left, but I can tell you that within the party, you can find one or two people, who may not be governors, but can replace the governor. The governor didn’t elect himself; the people elected him.
Today, the euphoria trailing Okowa and the governor’s defections is because those appointed by the governor and those elected alongside with them, took the decision to move to the new party due to fear of losing their jobs. But, I can tell you that soonest, when reality dawns on them, they may regret their decision.
As an experienced politician that you are, what do you think would have left Senator and the rest in Delta out of PDP?
I think Senator Okowa had said before that he left to benefit the resources at the centre. Two, he left to enjoy the goodwill of the Federal Government. But, when you look at it from the perspective of somebody who has been a two-term senator, a two-term governor on the platform of PDP, you’ll think that something must be wrong with Nigerian politics. Otherwise, where morality counts, where conscience pricks, it is unimaginable that having gone through the ranks on the platform of PDP, now at the twilight of your life in politics, you decided to jump ship.
What happens about your party being sick, having too many crises it is contending with?
Well, what you are talking about is the crisis. All of these are happening due to the failure of the so- called leader of the party. If the party, which you claimed to be a leader, is in crisis, it is your primary duty to fix it. So, why are they running away? Your house is on fire, you won’t put out the fire; you run away from your house and everything including your family inside the house gets burnt.
Do you see the PDP being rescued from these crises?
You can say that again. We are here. I started with PDP in 1998 when I was elected as the chairman in my local government, and I’m still here. I am not going anywhere because I have no reason to go anywhere. And because there are crises in the party now, the crises that ordinarily the leaders of the party should be able to fix, it is just unfortunate.
If the PDP dies tomorrow, will you still stick with it?
PDP will not die tomorrow, that I can assure you. I can assure that by 2026/2027, we’re going to tell a different story of the PDP. Don’t forget that activities have been lined up like other political parties.
What we are suffering from now is the challenge of the PDP not having an arrowhead that can knock heads together and stop the declension. The APC is in power today, and it has the president as its apex leader, who frontally addresses some issues. Otherwise, if you think about the legal implications of the crises in the PDP, the APC also has its own problems. The National Chairman is in court. The party from the national level to the state is in crisis.
In Benue state for instance, we have two chairmen of APC. While one was elected, the other was appointed by the incumbent governor. And they are all regarded as chairmen of the party in the state. Nobody is talking about it today because they are in power.
Your party always looks at either the president or the person who last held the ticket. Do you think that Atiku Abubakar should rise to the action as many are afraid that if something is not urgently done, the party might lose its life?
If you ask for my personal opinion, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar is one person that I respect a lot. In the last general election in 2023, I was one person that stood out in the face of all odds branding new cars for Atiku. About seven or eight of my campaign vehicles bore his image. I did this because I recognize him, and I saw in him somebody, who ordinarily will be able to attend to the wishes of Nigerians. And, having struggled that far, I worked for him. After the election, given his ambition to become president and wishing to contest once more, I expected that Alhaji Atiku Abubakar should have started from day one mobilising and galvanizing the people to have some levels of cohesion. Quite frankly, I think if there was anybody that could have brought the party together from the disastrous loss of the PDP in 2023, that person certainly was Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.
Your party is also losing ground in the Senate, having lost about seven members to the ruling party and we are hearing that your party may lose four or five more states. How can your party stop hurricane Tinubu sweeping your party away?
The crises in the PDP, not necessarily about the Tinubu tsunami, as they call it. I think that we have had our own fair share of internal crises. The challenge bedeviling our party is the lack of an arrowhead who can assuage the feelings of party members due to our failure in the 2023 general election. Having said that, I can say that some of the issues we are having now is lack of confidence. In the run off to the state congresses that we held recently in the party, there are certain undercurrent factors. Let me take Delta for instance where the governor bought all the congress forms for all the elective offices in the state. At the time, Senator Ned Nwoko approached me with a complaint that he didn’t know what was going on in his party, constituency, local government and even in his ward. The chairman and the organizing secretary made efforts to reconcile issues, but it didn’t yield any result. Then, Senator Nwoko felt sidelined in the whole process. Looking at it now, you can see the powerplay that played out. I can tell you for free that some of these persons were compromised.
Look at the case of Senator Kawo in Kano. He is a vibrant politician, who will ordinarily not leave his political party that gave him the breath of life. Simply because he wants to be in the comfort zone, he jumped ship.
What role do you think Minister Wike Nyesom is playing in all of this?
The whole process is actually a long-drawn battle. That calls to question leadership. The Wike disaffection arose from his perceived cheating in the convention. Wike contested to be a presidential candidate. Somehow in the process, he didn’t win. He felt that certain elements in the party had connived to undermine his capacity to win that nomination. That brought some issues, which a very cohesive and organized party would have addressed. Painfully, this was not done.